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Een vintage Daimler elektrisch maken

Een vintage Daimler elektrisch maken

Een vintage Daimler elektrisch maken

  • Een vintage Daimler elektrisch maken
  • Een vintage Daimler elektrisch maken

We waren verrast, en misschien wel een beetje gealarmeerd, toen we op onze website een advertentie zagen verschijnen voor de motor van een Daimler D16 landaulet uit 1923. De reden voor de verkoop is dat de eigenaar besloten heeft de auto om te bouwen naar elektrische aandrijving. We weten dat vele lezers waarschijnlijk sterke gevoelens hebben over dit onderwerp, en het feit dat er nu enkele Austin Sevens op elektrische energie rijden, toont aan dat sommige eigenaren openstaan voor experimenten, maar in tegenstelling tot veel Sevens is deze Daimler een unieke overlever en heeft hij een belangrijke vroege geschiedenis.

 

Vroege geschiedenis

 

Hij werd nieuw gekocht van Stratton Instone of Pall Mall door Alfred Douglas-Hamilton, de 13e hertog van Hamilton, de eerste Schotse edelman. Hij kocht het voor het gebruik door de persoonlijke metgezel van de hertogin, Miss Louise Lind-af-Hageby. Het werd regelmatig in Londen gebruikt en speelde een hoofdrol in de Lord Mayor's Show van 1926, toen het de Zweedse ambassadeur vervoerde, waarschijnlijk vanwege de Zweedse afkomst van Miss Lind-af-Hageby.

In 1959 werd hij gekocht door een garagehouder die hem in opslag hield, maar nooit met de restauratie begon. Pas in 1999, toen hij opnieuw van eigenaar veranderde, werd hij vijf jaar lang gerestaureerd. Hij werd onlangs door bekende auto dealer Vintage & Prestige verkocht aan zijn huidige eigenaar.

 

Een unieke overlevende


Vandaag is hij naar verluidt de enige D16 op de weg. Er wordt aangenomen dat de beroemde Daimler vierklepsmotor origineel is, en de carrosserie is ongebruikelijk omdat hij geen tussenschotten heeft, waardoor directe communicatie tussen bestuurder en passagiers mogelijk is.

Omdat wij vreesden dat de ontwerpen van de eigenaar het weefsel van een unieke en historisch belangrijke auto zouden beschadigen, hebben wij hem om commentaar gevraagd en het volgende antwoord ontvangen:

Ik ben 78 jaar oud en heb al 46 jaar Newfoundland honden. Welke relevantie heeft dit, hoor ik u zeggen. Blijf erbij. U weet niet alles. Ik wel. Lees en leer.

Jaren geleden nam ik de passagiersstoel van mijn auto en mijn Newfie zat dan naast me. Met de moderne autovoorschriften kan ik de passagiersstoel niet meer verwijderen (hij is verbonden met airbags enz.) en mijn honden zijn de laatste jaren op de achterbank gesprongen. Mijn huidige Newfie is artritisch en oud en kan niet springen. Ik heb (forse, vanwege haar gewicht) opstapjes voor haar laten maken. Deze moeten uit de kofferbak worden gehaald en gedragen en op hun plaats worden gezet, wat zwaar werk is.

Het voordeel van vroege oldtimers is
a. de passagiersstoel kan worden verwijderd en opgeborgen.
b. er is een vaste treeplank voor gemakkelijke toegang (dus niet zwaar tillen voor mij).

 

Ik heb ook het gevoel dat mijn volgende auto een elektrische moet zijn. Ik heb echt een hekel aan moderne auto's - ze zijn lelijk, opgeblazen en zwaarlijvig, vooral de elektrische. Ik heb vroege elektrische auto's overwogen, maar die rijden maar 20-25 mph, wat echt irritant is voor het overige verkeer. Het alternatief was een oldtimer, met treeplanken, die op elektriciteit kon worden omgebouwd.

Na onderzoek vond ik mijn D16 Daimler (waarvan de eerste eigenaar een vrouw was) - die voor mannelijke petrolheads anathema is omdat hij zo vrouwelijk is. Hij is onaantrekkelijk voor vrouwen vanwege het ingewikkelde dubbele clutchen. Ja, juist, wie gaat dat onthouden of doen? Het had geen mannelijke of vrouwelijke markt en verkocht niet. Door het te elektrificeren, zal het nog 100 jaar in handen zijn van vrouwen (niet, zoals ik zeg, dat ik op enigerlei wijze seksistisch ben). 

 

Wat de vervuiling betreft: de productie van elektriciteit zelf veroorzaakt vervuiling, maar het is gemakkelijker een manier te vinden om die in een beperkt gebied te neutraliseren dan te proberen honderden/duizenden/miljoenen individuele auto's te neutraliseren. De eerste Covid-19 lockdown toonde gewone mensen (niet beïnvloed door "onderzoek") dat de luchtkwaliteit in steden enorm en snel verbeterde door geen auto's te hebben. Geen verbrandingsmotoren betekende ook (opnieuw niet beïnvloed door "onderzoek") dat geluidsoverlast door het verkeer zo goed als uitgesloten was. Lawaai is een ernstig probleem voor de geestelijke gezondheid.

 

Ik heb veel sympathie voor mensen wier werk afhankelijk is van de verbrandingsmotor en die de elektrificatie als een bedreiging voor hun broodwinning zien. Voor mensen wiens hobby het is, niet zozeer.

 

Onze reactie

 

Wij begrijpen dat de eigenaar wordt gemotiveerd door een verlangen om goed te doen, maar het grotere goed zou zijn om de auto in zijn oorspronkelijke staat te behouden. Door ombouw wordt de historische en educatieve waarde ervan onherstelbaar aangetast.

Wij erkennen ten volle de problemen van luchtverontreiniging, geluidshinder en visuele vervuiling die worden veroorzaakt door de huidige afhankelijkheid van auto's, maar deze reactie is misplaatst. Historische voertuigen worden doorgaans spaarzaam en verantwoord gebruikt, zodat hun invloed op de luchtkwaliteit vrijwel nihil is, en iedereen die zich zorgen maakt over de geestelijke gezondheid moet inzien dat oldtimers niet alleen eigenaren (de mogelijkheid om te sleutelen was voor velen een reddingslijn tijdens sluitingen), maar ook veel leden van het publiek veel plezier brengen. Dat staat los van het feit dat de winning van lithium en kobalt zelf vreselijke gevolgen heeft voor het milieu en de mensheid, en dat het onzeker is of de wereld voldoende voorraad heeft om de massale invoering van auto's met lithiumbatterijen te ondersteunen.

Ten slotte zijn we het er niet over eens dat mannen noch vrouwen de Daimler met mouwkleppen zouden waarderen. Als 25-jarige man zou ik er enorm trots op zijn, en andere jonge enthousiastelingen zouden hetzelfde zeggen. Wat de vrouwen betreft, ik weet zeker dat zij ons zullen vertellen of zij dubbele koppeling aankunnen!

De lezers hebben vast ook een mening. Vertel ons in de commentaren hieronder wat u denkt.

 

Woorden: Zack Stiling, foto's: Vintage & Prestige

 

Gepubliceerd:
zondag januari 26th, 2025

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John Brightley
21 October 2025, 12:57
The Daimler is being offered for sale by auction at Hanson's auction on 26/10/25.
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Mark
27 Januari 2025, 09:28
A truly tragic tale for this wonderful old Daimler, foreseen by so many of the previous comments. The original engine was in fact advertised for sale on PreWarCar about six months ago. From memory it had been purchased from the Daimler owner in the hope of reuniting it with the vehicle in the future, but as can been seen from the prices involved this became a financial impossibility. From the photographs in the advert it appeared to have been stored in rather poor conditions. I assume it was unsold.

It would be interesting know how many miles the Daimler has travelled under electric power to justify the conversion.
Maybe the time has come to fully investigate the climate impact of electric conversions. Especially on vehicles which potentially travel very minimal mileage a year with an internal combustion engine.

However, I am not sure if the fate of the Newfoundland or in fact the owner has any relevance to the debate.
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Julian Foley
16 September 2023, 10:41
I have just watched the video Silent Classics provided on this build.
Like you and most of your respondents, I am passionate about historical vehicles. I also cherish our climate, and applaud any intervention that preserves it. I applaud this woman for the perspective she has shown on this matter - the motor is retained and easily reinstated into the vehicle. She has shown an admirable level of care for her faithful old companion, and as a determined driver of advanced age, as I am, she can keep motoring. This time, without rousing the entire neighbourhood.
I find this a very thoughtful bit of engineering, which has taken good account of the driver's future while respecting the vehicle's past. May they both age gracefully together.
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Sebastian Taylor
05 Juli 2023, 03:47
I recently came across the vehicle online while doing some research on pre-war Daimlers and I looked into it and the car has been converted to electrical power, which deeply saddens me when it comes to the historical value of such a car. As to the whereabouts of the engine and its fate I am not sure what has become of it as yet. I have, however, found some minor updates on the car via Facebook and found the website of the company which did the conversion. If I find any updates on the engine I will be sure to post them below

The Facebook page shows a short video of the car before conversion, photos of the car after conversion, and other vintage cars that have had their souls silenced by the electrical poison.

The company Silent Classics has its own website. Don't harass them. If you do ask questions when you call them, be respectful because one person can ruin it for everyone and create problems.

I hope this helps in the eventual recovery and re-restoration of such a rare car in the future.
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Sebastian Taylor
05 Juli 2023, 03:18
I recently found the end result of the conversion of this car and I have not found out what happened to the engine due to the lack of details on its recent whereabouts. I will keep searching but for now it is still up in the air as to what has happened to it.

The Facebook page for Silent Classics shows 'before and after' photos of the conversion. It saddens me dearly that this happened to such a historic car.

Silent Classics is the company the performed the conversion. Let's be respectful and not harass them, I just figured everyone would like to know who did the job.

They have done many cars. Look on their Facebook page for more listed since there is not much on their website.
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Peter Maguire
28 November 2022, 14:09
In his reply, the owner of this Daimler tries to show how 'enlightened and correct' he is.
However, i did some research and his comments simply do not hold up.
The Daimler is no smaller, except by a few inches in the wheelbase, than a 20 HP Rolls-Royce. (In fact it is probably somewhat higher!).
So a 20 HP would obviously fit his access 'passage' to his property.
Also, according to the person who did the very fine restoration on the Daimler
( see: Simon shows he's a restoration master - The Worcester News
www.worcesternews.co.uk › news › 7453898.simon-shows-hes-a-restoratio...) it has a maximum speed of 40 mph.
I would imagine that a restored and re-motored electric car would be capable of not much less than that. In any case, unless the braking system was also revised, i doubt if this car - or an electric one as suggested - would be safe to use under modern traffic conditions at anything like that speed.
As to the comment about the cost of storing an engine.....?
Anyone who really cared would keep it on a stand in their living room!

And... as regarding the 'P.S.' comment, TOTAL RUBBISH. The 'carbon footprint' of the Daimler was established almost 100 years ago and in subsequent use. The act of converting it to electric only adds to it. In fact, considering the age of the owner and the amount of probable use the car will have, he is adding to the overall amount of CO2 that will be created. In thinking that he will help the environment he is delusional.

In the end, this is an unique car, in that it is the only surviving D16. It should be with someone who (truthfully, not like the current owner) appreciates it , or even in a museum which would be better than its current fate.



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David GREEN
27 November 2022, 15:37
I feel motivated to add my two bob’s worth to the current debate about this Daimler. I too am 78. I have owned vintage cars off and on since I was 16. My current car is a 1926 3-litre Bentley, with matching numbers and an original touring body. I am fully aware of the challenges of retaining authenticity in a car that is almost 100 years old.

It is, and always has been, the prerogative of wealthy individuals to buy and then destroy artefacts that others value in their original condition. Examples that immediately spring to my English mind are William Beckford’s destruction of two major Fonthill buildings including that of Fonthill Splendens, Patricia Cornwall’s alleged destruction of Sickert paintings worth about £6 million in her pursuit of DNA evidence that Sickert was Jack the Ripper, and Lord Duveen’s cleaning of the Elgin marbles to make them whiter. We now know the marbles would have been brightly painted, and that Duveen was a crook. There are countless other examples.

As the owner of a tolerably original 3-litre Bentley, and a former member of the Bentley Drivers’ Club, I am acutely aware that large sums of money have been made pandering to the ‘taste’ for more driveable vintage Bentleys: larger engines, Borg & Beck clutches, Hardy-Spicer drive shafts, alternators, hydraulic braking, etc. These changes are usually described by auctioneers, when the cars come up for sale, as ‘sensible’. This activity has greatly reduced the number of vintage Bentley’s that are close to their original.

Our anonymous vendor is within his legal rights, if grossly insensitive to any notion of responsible custodianship, except to a couple of decrepit Newfoundland dogs. These dogs eat large amounts of meat, a requirement that needs to viewed critically since the vendor is attempting to clothe himself in positive environmental credentials. This breed is also prone to joint dysplasias, cystinuria, and aortic valvular stenosis, all genetic disorders that could be avoided on humane grounds by not keeping the breed.

We have also learnt from the vendor that he was unaware that his proposed changes to the car would result in a different registration class under DVLA.

Finally, there are the spurious environmental and technical arguments. There is no doubt that electric cars have the potential to reduce air pollution at their site of usage, but electricity does not appear miraculously out of thin air. It is generated in substantial measure by burning carbon-containing fuels of fossil origin. Meat production produces methane, and batteries require mining for lithium. There are no easy environmental solutions, and it is really incumbent on all of us to consider how best to respond to the environmental problems we face. Wrecking an extraordinarily well-preserved example of a rare artefact and keeping large meat-eating dogs seems to me to be a pathetically selfish response.

Finally, the proposed solution may never work. Most drive shaft/back axle arrangements on vintage cars are not that robust, which is why transmission brakes were abandoned (if they were effective, they stripped differentials, etc.; if ineffective, they were, well, ineffective). The torque from an electric motor would need to be well controlled to avoid serious damage. On a 3-litre Bentley with original half-shafts, for example, I suggest it would be madness. It is not that they break frequently, but they are cut away at the differential end, a defect that is corrected on 8-litre half-shafts that are otherwise identical. And when the damage does occur, will the owner of this Daimler really be interested in securing the bespoke manufacture of parts?
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Peter Maguire
22 November 2022, 14:32
It is hard to tell if this is a wind-up or not.
If not, then I agree with those whose sentiment is that the 'owner' of the Daimler is very arrogant, or perhaps they are not really an 'Historic Car' person and, in reality, hate both the cars and the people who own them.

However, if they are the car owner and actually propose a conversion, then why the Daimler?
Ther was a perfectly restorable and, more to the point, an electric powered car for sale on PreWarCar.
If I recall correctly it was a Detroit Electric.
So, if you are the owner of what is a very correct and rare Daimler, even down to having its original sleeve-valve engine, why not look for an electric car of the Edwardian period? It would not even have to be 'converted'( !) and would probably cost a lot less to put right even if it required some 'restoration' or just the electrics sorting out.


(Peter Maguire)
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John Urwin
22 November 2022, 10:32
It is gratifying that the majority of comments do not approve of the behaviour of this individual, which in my opinion comes across as foolish, arrogant and selfish. The comments also offer sensible alternatives. My wife, whose interest in vintage cars is less than zero compares it to buying a Turner painting and dawbing some modern art over a part of it.

Owning a historic car is a hobby that turns over and supports billions of pounds/dollars. F1 turns over millions as does historic competition. It is the same with high end cars like a Lamborghini Aventador, Bugatti Veyron etc which do low mileages. These all produce a trivial input to the climate problem, but it would be wise to offer a solution and there is clearly a market.
Bill Gates, in his excellent book on solutions to climate change lists efuels and biofuels. Done properly, these result in net zero. Porsche and Siemens are building a plant off Chile to produce synthetic petrol from renewable energy. Are these the kind of companies to waste their money?
It costs about £20,000-30,000 to convert a historic car to battery. How much efuel would that buy? Again, the market will decide.
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Albert Bass van Ittersum
22 November 2022, 04:56
This touches on a subject I would like to discuss here at some point, the self creation or adaptation of historic vehicles.
We the enthusiasts of real classic cars, from all stations of society, are a very hands on community. A large portion of us, resurrected their own vehicle (or rather more than one), making their own modifications to improve upon some rather homely and erratic mechanisms as we go along. What is considered erratic, is to our very own discretion, you being the surpreme ruler in your very own garage.
Be it the slow, ineffective engine, the lack of an efficient oil filter, bodywork that does not appeal to our sporty taste, anything goes.
A museum conservator, I have learned to take a more archeological point of view: we restore, revive and use sometimes rather important and very rarely seen historic artefacts. Let us look at, say, a nice Black and white, sketch by a certain mr. Rembrandt. You aquire it at auction, for a pretty good price, and after a while, you decide, it's a bit boring, and, being somewhat of a painter, you add some rather tasty, good quality water colour to it.
You are rather taken by the results, and enjoy your Rembrandt sketch a lot better.
However: You robbed society as a whole, from say 2006 on, from.ever knowing what and who the artist Rembrandt was way back centuries more into the 1600s. The picture, already famous as a rare specimen of historic value, has become your version of what you think Rembrandt should have looked. It's historic, and as time will tell, actual, value is greatly reduced, that is if ever after specialists may declare it void of any, for it has been corrupted in such a way, that no historic reliable facts can be learned from it without doubting the actual source.
Of course, this is exaggerated some way, but very few of us actually recognize that a lot of our efforts, looked at with a cool scientific eye, are no more than a large scale destruction of historic artefacts, to adapt them and make them useful for some use again.
Which is ok, as it keeps some past alive, but in the process, we also have to accept we lose some genuine historic sources, for ever.
As a custodian of the motoring part of history, it won't hurt us to realise this narrative, when stumbling upon that last rare untouched survivor, that sat in a barn for five or six decades, and ask some advice on how to proceed making it a useable vehicle, while preserving its status as genuine .


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Robert Vierbergen
20 November 2022, 22:56
The way people think they can talk down on someone who is not playing by their set of rules is more upsetting to me then the whole issue.
The insults, pedantic comments and judgements are a shame for this old car community. A lot of them wouldn't blink and buy a so called special build on a riley, bentley or alvis chassis from the 30ies. It's funny to see the same kind of comments on horse drawn carrriages butchered to put in an engine, somewhere in the early car history. I do hate this whole "energy transition policy" but hey it is your car so do what you want. In this case the owner loves the car and the dog, what more do you want?
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JimmyinTexas
20 November 2022, 16:50
I have no opinion about the conversion aspect of the story. The thing I find interesting is the fact the converting party is selling the removed engine. I would have assumed anyone owning one of these that had the funds to convert it to an EV would have retained the engine for posterity in case someone wanted to return it to the original.
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Worried Noodle
20 November 2022, 14:58
Worrying about pollution, yet modern vehicles are increasing in size and power.
What is wrong with small cars like the 2cv, remove rear seats and passenger seat
and he could carry two dogs and two goats, a bucket of pig swill, and a basket of eggs comfortably.

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Roger Armstrong
20 November 2022, 12:18
So is it the dog or is it the environmentalism that is driving this needless destruction of a vintage car? Both can be satisfied by a little more thought. Dogs in general are very bad for the environment, and the larger the breed the greater the damage. Every second diesel van that I see seems to be providing some kind of dog walking or dog grooming service and don't get me started on the cruelty involved in the whole dog food industry. An arthritic old Newfoundland might have no more than a 2 year lifespan. When the time comes, change to a Whippet or some other smaller more energetic breed that will have no trouble leaping up into the seat or curling up in the back. It will also have a far smaller appetite for other dead animals on which to feed, and need almost no grooming. The expense and trouble saved will be immense and you can buy the Nissan Leaf that you always wanted.
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Tony Press
20 November 2022, 01:48
Oh! My goodness- if you must have an electric car to satisfy some strange wish (I hope the present confused owner is pressuring India and China to cut out massive coal burning which will surely outweigh any change to electric cars in the west).

Do not ruin (which it will when trying to add any batteries) this lovely historic Daimler ! :-(
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Steve Diggins
19 November 2022, 11:54
I am having a hard time not making fun of this situation. It is stupid in so many ways. Let's hope the owner will be politely educated.
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Andy Maclean
18 November 2022, 12:47
I hope this person is going to inform the DVLA as it is a Change that is reportable. The likely outcome would mean re-registration on a Q plate and all historic status taken away which would result in it being MOT'ed and taxwd every year. If it is not reported to the DVLA you could be prosecuted.
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David Liepelt
17 November 2022, 15:39
I am a strong enthusiast of the Knight sleeve valve engine over here, across the pond. My 1930 Willys-Knight 66B Sedan is my daily driver for 9 months of the year. I have driven it over 60,000 miles in 12 years of ownership, from Michigan to Santa Fe New Mexico, Duluth Minnesota, and 10 times the 600 miles to the Hershey Swap Meet. I take it to the local cruise nite, and the ice cream shop, and the auto parts store and the grocery store. Yes, almost everybody finds the car aesthetically beautiful. But the moment I start it, it becomes unbelievable to them. The sound of a Knight engine is baffling to everyone. It is As Unique a sound to modern ears as atmosheric intake valves on Brighton era cars. Instantly the car "transforms" from an object of art to a Kinetic Experience.

Personally I dont have a problem converting more common old cars to electric propulsion. Hopefully they make a proper craftsman like job of it, and parts exist to convert them back. I have read her explanation, and understand her desire. But I cant help but feel there is a more common car, like a Model A Ford, that a seat can be removed from, and can be electrified to serve her purpose. It could do everything she needs, and allow her to be part of this early car world.

But a Daimler?

I wish someone could offer her a viable trade for a good car of similar size and history. This is very sad.
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Larry Lewis
17 November 2022, 17:22
You're from Michigan? Say hello to Gabe Bandy for me. I drove his 1921 Stearns-Knight a few years ago.
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Michael Rose
17 November 2022, 15:30
Either this is a wind-up or on of us has lost a sense of humour (sp sic)
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Mark
17 November 2022, 15:09
This has opened an interesting debate, which we will see more often in the future. Personally I feel this car is totally unsuitable for conversion both historically and technically.
As has been pointed out the owner can do what they like to their own property, and they have to be applauded for setting out their reasons, however the cars "historic" classification from the DVLA has been bestowed on the Daimler by the fact it has survived 99 years still to its original specification.
Any modification puts this at risk with all the associated issues of Q plate, extra testing, etc. Rumours are DVLA are withdrawing "historic" status to such conversations, with many still registered as petrol to get around this, with big ramifications to any insurance claims.
The biggest issue is the choice of vehicle, I am not sure the new owner has gone as far as looking into the technical aspects of the conversion, but the extra torque from the electric motor will put great strain on the drive train, which is further complicated by the rarity of the vehicle and lack of spares. It is also a heavy laudaulette running on beaded edge tyres and rear wheel brakes only. This can be a challenge to experienced "vintage" motorists in modern road conditions especially in the wet. If the idea of the conversion is to increase performance as well as weight this would make it extremely difficult to drive, made worse by the lack of safety features.
The idea suggested of using a Ford Model A makes very good sense to satisfy their needs, with a good supply of uprated parts.
Hopefully the owner may consider all the pros and cons to this conversion, before the damage is done, and everyone could have a much better outcome.


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Keith Kuehn
17 November 2022, 14:38
WOW. One fella (Henk) is saying there is no market for this car? I would LOVE to have it in my collection. Thank God most abhore the idea of it being broken up to be electrified. No way, it is a historic car, and maybe laws should be passed to protect cars as much as paintings and historic buildings. This is akin to tossing paint on the Mona Lisa to protest something, or tearing down Shakespears home in order to build a shopping center. Utter foolishness. Idiocy.
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Simon Harding
17 November 2022, 14:00
The DVLA will make this car undergo an SVA test as it has been substantially modified.
Don’t believe me? There are threads on other forums where they have lost the right to that vehicles identify.
One, an early mini, was on the grounds of one extra hole drilled in the boot lid for a charming cable.
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Jo Burge
17 November 2022, 12:02
The conversion of old and rare cars to battery power is not to be encouraged. The environmental benefit is nonsensical and the whole point of vintage machinery is lost. Harsh I know.
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Nick Simpson
17 November 2022, 12:01
The owner is entitled to do what he or she wants with their property - there is no sanction. It would be correct to make sure the motor and any other displaced parts stay with the car so that a subsequent owner mat return the car to its original condition if required.
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James Holland
17 November 2022, 11:21
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the electrification argument, the original engine must stay with the car. To split it up renders any future restoration of the car to original nigh on impossible.
Is the new owner aware of the regulations regarding the transportation of dogs? By law they are meant to be restrained when in a vehicle so a harness will need to installed for the beloved Newfie - more modifications from original.
A great shame.
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Henk Jansen
17 November 2022, 10:48
I do like the idea. A sedan like this hardly has any interest in the market so nobody will care enough. And if the engine is sold, someone else can use that engine again.
Such a Daimler is otherwise unusable in current form.
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Frazer Sloan
17 November 2022, 10:32
An act of vandalism and destruction. The description above from the owner further cements the fact that they have no regard to history, the quality of the restoration and significance in which the Daimler represents.
Electrification is fine, but keep the original engine together with the car in case someone decides to return it to original.

The comments are laced with blatant sexism, and condescending to most. I think best to write this car off as lost, stop giving the owner publicity for which they clearly crave, and realise that some people are charlatans. Fortunately only a few such people exist in the historic vehicle 'preservation' groups.
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pete giles
17 November 2022, 09:01
do not sell the engine and any modifications should be able to be returned to standard, for future owners
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lars legaard
17 November 2022, 08:53
Well. It was surprising to read the ad about selling the engine from the car when converted to electrics
In my shop we have always kept the original part ex after converting Model T´s to starter/ generator type, and let the original parts follow the car

Now we are planning to covert a Morris Minor open 2 seater to electric drive, mostly because the petrol engine needs overhaul
The will be a gentle conversion where the original engine block clucth, gearbox etc will remain in the car except for the piston/ valve system, and the electric motor in top of the block driving it all through the old drive train.

Many american limosines have in later years been converted back to original condition after being chopped and "improved " years ago.
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Alan
17 November 2022, 04:51
There’s an obvious solution: trade the owner an electrified Ford Model A for the Daimler. They’re as common as dirt, and meet their requirements of being vintage and having running boards. Everyone will be happy!
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Dale Conlon
17 November 2022, 04:36
To me I think it is sacrilege to "bastardise " such a beautiful vehicle but at the end of the day it is the owners choice to do what he likes with it. If he must convert it to electric at least do it in a way that the next owner can convert it back to its original condition by keeping the original engine and any other original parts with the car.
Dale Conlon ( New Zealand )
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Steve Diggins
17 November 2022, 04:23
I think if you were to do this to a vintage London taxi rather than this historic Daimler it would be more appropriate and probably serve you better. Also, many more people would like you.
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Alex
17 November 2022, 02:07
Sounds about typical of the modern leftist loonies! Where to begin on the owners comments… utter rubbish!
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Michael Schlenger
17 November 2022, 01:04
First of all: hats off to to this gentleman who is willing to go great lengths to combine his love for vintage cars and dogs and cares about the future of historic motorcars. Still, I largely agree with Zack Stiling, in particular regarding the destructive consequences of a conversion for an almost unique car which deserves to be saved in its authentic state. From a strictly functional perspective, there are numerous mass-produced (yet attractive) prewar-cars available offering the benefit of running boards and a removable passenger seat. So there is really no need to convert this Daimler of all cars! As for the allegedly complicated process of double declutching with early cars, I doubt that any of the countless women who drove automobiles back then, had difficulties with that. I've never heard about one of the ladies wishing to drive a car complaining about this. Finally, one word about "air pollution" in our cities caused by cars. This was a serious problem until the 1970s, but isn't one today. In Germany, during the so-called lockdowns no measurable effect of the diminished traffic was registered, as far as I know. For one thing, he vast majority of cars used everyday cause neglibile emissions (and we prewar-car enthusiasts really know what emissions are!), for another thing the bulk of the missions in cities is due to heating residence and office buildings. Dear fellow enthusiasts, please make reasonable suggestions to this gentleman, enabling him to find a workable solution for him without destroying a unique witness of he past.
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