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Het mysterie van de verdwenen MG streamliner uit Nederland
MG liefhebbers, kijk hier eens naar! Bij een MG streamliner zullen velen van jullie denken aan de radicale EX181 landsnelheidsrecordauto met bubbeltop, zoals gereden door Stirling Moss op de Bonneville Salt Flats. Met een supercharged viercilindermotor met dubbele nokkenas en een zeer giftig mengsel van brandbare vloeistoffen produceerde hij maar liefst 290 pk met een inhoud van slechts 1½ liter, haalde hij bijna 400 km/u en nam hij met gemak het landsnelheidsrecord voor zijn klasse over van de vorige recordhouder. Het was zeker ongelooflijk, maar dat alles vond plaats in 1957.
Deze foto zou dateren uit 1934 - maar liefst 23 jaar eerder, waarbij de MG vermoedelijk een Q-type of een K3 was. De aluminium carrosserie is gemaakt door de carrosseriebouwers Schutter en van Bakel, de foto is genomen voor hun werkplaats in het centrum van Amsterdam. De Nederlandse textielerfgenaam en sportfanaat Eddie Hertzberger, een fervent bokser, zeiler, skiër en motorsportliefhebber, zou hier achter het stuur zitten. Een commentaar van ene Colin Butchers vertelt ons echter het volgende: "De carrosserie was gemonteerd op Hertzbergers K3031 voor het seizoen 1937 en hoewel hij werd verwijderd van de K3 toen die in 1938 werd verkocht, werd hij wel meegenomen in de verkoop."
Het wordt nog verwarrender als hij verder gaat: "In 1941 werd het Q-type verkocht aan E. Hartmann en de speciale carrosserie werd op de Q gemonteerd en werd in deze vorm op de weg gebruikt. Er is gesuggereerd dat de foto is genomen bij de aankoop van de auto door Hartmann nadat de carrosserie was gemonteerd op de Q-type en dat de trotse nieuwe eigenaar de lange kerel zou kunnen zijn die achter de auto staat."
Dus dateert deze MG streamliner eigenlijk van later dan 1934? Het lijkt inderdaad erg vroeg voor een carrosserie die zo aerodynamisch is als deze. En wat is er precies mee gebeurd? Er moeten toch meer foto's van deze creatie bestaan?
Woorden: Jeroen Booij; foto: Museum Van Loon
Gepubliceerd:
maandag september 25th, 2023
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David ten Hoonte
03 September 2024, 19:20
In the magazine "Het Automobiel", No. 25, April, 1982, there is an article about Mr. Hascher finding this streamliner under a tarpaulin in the Netherlands.
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Pork Pie
30 September 2023, 01:54
all clear like mud....
1942 sound much better than 1934....
seeing the quality from that shop in 1934, see attachment...
and the 1942...slightly different...in 1942 they actually had only body repair shop, the coachbuilder shop was closed before WW II,
so that was a one of kind job
asking about Mercedes, the W 25R - the first known full body streamliner for record attempts - run in 1936 367 km/h (228 mph). The first
W 125R version from 1937 didn't work as well as the 1936 - this 1937 had the issue to lift the front at highspeed...not the best idea...so Auto Union could set a new mark without competition.
and talking about salt flats...on the 5th October it will be 11 years that I joined the Bonneville 200 Mile Club.....:-)
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1942 sound much better than 1934....
seeing the quality from that shop in 1934, see attachment...
and the 1942...slightly different...in 1942 they actually had only body repair shop, the coachbuilder shop was closed before WW II,
so that was a one of kind job
asking about Mercedes, the W 25R - the first known full body streamliner for record attempts - run in 1936 367 km/h (228 mph). The first
W 125R version from 1937 didn't work as well as the 1936 - this 1937 had the issue to lift the front at highspeed...not the best idea...so Auto Union could set a new mark without competition.
and talking about salt flats...on the 5th October it will be 11 years that I joined the Bonneville 200 Mile Club.....:-)
Jeroen Booij
29 September 2023, 11:29
Three 'new' photos of the MG streamliner, via the MG Triple M register.
The bald man in it is reportedly E. Hartmann.
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The bald man in it is reportedly E. Hartmann.
Erik van Hardeveld
01 October 2023, 20:51
Correction: the person in the 3rd photo is Hans Herkuleyns!
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Erik van Hardeveld
28 September 2023, 11:23
According to Wiard Krook in his 8-page article in the 2004 MG Triple-M Yearbook on Hans Herkuleyns, (an in my opinion underestimated prewar Dutch racingdriver) the chassis of this car is MG QA 0253, a car newly bought by Hans Herkuleyns in 1934.
The man behind the wheel is Mr Hartman, not Eddy Hertzenberger.
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The man behind the wheel is Mr Hartman, not Eddy Hertzenberger.
Herman van oldeneel
29 September 2023, 08:04
According to Willem van Bakel (magazine "Het Automobiel", vierde episode) the body was built by Jan Gelink and Jan Bakker and Herzberger behind the wheel.
My remark: Maybe he mentioned a fenderless streamlined MG, raced by Herzberger & Herkuleyns?
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My remark: Maybe he mentioned a fenderless streamlined MG, raced by Herzberger & Herkuleyns?
Pork Pie
27 September 2023, 13:44
More information.
The coachbuilder has listed one MG K3 for 1934 in his contract list...but as a cabriolet....this kind of bodywork would have run under sportscar(!).
a other point...the headlights...they are very small...in mid 30's there was some experimental and prototypes of smaller headlights...but the standard was still huge.....the WW II changed that, as during WW II we had a big improvement in the design of lights of all kind....and so the headlights......
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The coachbuilder has listed one MG K3 for 1934 in his contract list...but as a cabriolet....this kind of bodywork would have run under sportscar(!).
a other point...the headlights...they are very small...in mid 30's there was some experimental and prototypes of smaller headlights...but the standard was still huge.....the WW II changed that, as during WW II we had a big improvement in the design of lights of all kind....and so the headlights......
David ten Hoonte
02 October 2023, 00:18
This is getting quite interesting. Is this information in an archive? please let me (us) know how you got to this vital part of information. Could be something to get deeper into and rebuilt this car...
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Pork Pie
26 September 2023, 15:16
the whole story sounds strange....the project himself maybe starts in 1934....
but not the shown shell....means bodywork....
if this bodywork was done in 1934, it would have been before Auto Union, Mercedes has their streamliner and also some well known British
competitor.....
what also confuse....the body works looks just finished in his base panelbeating job...finish to get over to the paintshop....
but the people behind the car....they wearing not the 1934 fashion....they wearing fashion which was popular in 1954....except the older chap on the right side...his suit was still popular ins 1947/48....so he had them for a while....
and this style of bodywork, you could see everywhere in the beginning of the 50's......there were hundreds of homemade racer and cars to that time.....
it's typical for that time that older project became new life with a new body....following the historic before and after WW II....you can see lots of example where cars became complete new "faces"....
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but not the shown shell....means bodywork....
if this bodywork was done in 1934, it would have been before Auto Union, Mercedes has their streamliner and also some well known British
competitor.....
what also confuse....the body works looks just finished in his base panelbeating job...finish to get over to the paintshop....
but the people behind the car....they wearing not the 1934 fashion....they wearing fashion which was popular in 1954....except the older chap on the right side...his suit was still popular ins 1947/48....so he had them for a while....
and this style of bodywork, you could see everywhere in the beginning of the 50's......there were hundreds of homemade racer and cars to that time.....
it's typical for that time that older project became new life with a new body....following the historic before and after WW II....you can see lots of example where cars became complete new "faces"....
Jeremy Hawke
25 September 2023, 20:12
It's not a Q Type. It's the car sold "as" K3003, which was in all probability actually built up on a spare chassis. Broken up afte a road accident all the best MG sleuths could find of the remains was the blower & gearbox remote.....
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David ten Hoonte
03 September 2024, 20:00
Hi, Jeremy, I would like to get in contact with you about this chassis. I'm easy to find on Facebook please send me message or contact me on [email protected]
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