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De illustere Mr. Coatalen en zijn TT Hillman
Het is niet ongewoon om de Britten grappen te horen maken ten koste van de Fransen, maar één ding hebben de Britten aan hen te danken: de altijd zo Britse merken Sunbeam, Humber en Hillman hebben veel te danken aan een Fransman: Louis Coatalen. Coatalen, die zichzelf om precies te zijn waarschijnlijk als Breton zou hebben omschreven, werd zelfs hoog aangeslagen door W. O. Bentley. De vrachtwagenfabrikant uit Cricklewood schreef in zijn biografie: "Hij was niet alleen een eersteklas zakenman die veel geld verdiende (en verloor) in zijn actieve leven met Sunbeams; hij had andere kwaliteiten die ik nog beter vond; hij was hoog opgeleid en amusant en een geweldige verteller, en hij was toegewijd aan de autosport."
Misschien was Coatalen iets van een genaturaliseerde Brit geworden nadat hij op jonge leeftijd naar dat sceptische eiland was verhuisd, maar niet voordat hij een ingenieursdiploma had behaald in Cluny en voor niet minder dan drie Franse autofabrikanten had gewerkt: De Dion-Bouton, Clément en Panhard et Levassor. Dat alles had hij bereikt in 1900, het jaar waarin hij de rijpe leeftijd van 21 bereikte. Eenmaal in Coventry werd Coatalen binnen een paar jaar hoofdingenieur van Humber, maar hij wilde nog verder gaan en ging daarom in 1906 samenwerken met William Hillman. Op de foto hiernaast zit Coatalen achter het stuur van de 24 pk Hillman-Coatalen uit 1908, waarover we niet veel informatie kunnen vinden. De foto is waarschijnlijk genomen vlak voordat de auto deelnam aan de Isle of Man Tourist Trophy van dat jaar. De samenwerking tussen Coatalen en Hillman duurde echter niet lang: in 1909 vertrok Coatalen naar Sunbeam en werd het bedrijf simpelweg Hillman Motor Car Company.
Er is daarna nog veel meer te vinden en te vertellen over Coatalen's betrokkenheid bij Sunbeam, maar we vragen ons af of er nog veel Hillman-Coatalens bewaard zijn gebleven? We konden er maar één vinden, een auto uit 1908 met kenteken A 338, die permanent wordt tentoongesteld in het Coventry Transport Museum. Zijn er nog meer?
Tekst: Jeroen Booij, foto: Isle of Man Museum
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dinsdag augustus 22nd, 2023
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Kieran White
29 Augustus 2023, 18:41
The interesting thing about the Wyndham body is the rear seats were removable and an alternative truck-type flatbed could be fitted, ideal for going to the creamery with milk churns or even carry your balloon about. This truck back was also with the body when Just m Foyle had it.
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Kieran White
22 Augustus 2023, 22:34
IY 143 was originally owned by Vincent S. Carroll of Dundalk, possibly one of the cigarette manufacturers. It should be possible to reclaim that number even in the UK as Ireland and Britain were under the one administration in 1908.
The Australian 15hp was imported to Ireland by the late James Foyle. He had acquired a Wyndham body that had graced a 1907 25hp Hillman Coatalen, reg. no. IP 1. This was a Gabbett family number. Unfortunately the chassis was scrapped during the Second World War.
James came across the Australian 15hp and bought it. The Wyndham body proved too large for the chassis. When James died the car was sold by his estate and the body was sold separately to a Cork family with the intention of fitting it to a large Maxwell.
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The Australian 15hp was imported to Ireland by the late James Foyle. He had acquired a Wyndham body that had graced a 1907 25hp Hillman Coatalen, reg. no. IP 1. This was a Gabbett family number. Unfortunately the chassis was scrapped during the Second World War.
James came across the Australian 15hp and bought it. The Wyndham body proved too large for the chassis. When James died the car was sold by his estate and the body was sold separately to a Cork family with the intention of fitting it to a large Maxwell.
Andy Watt
22 Augustus 2023, 13:11
In answer to Jerome's question are there any more Hillman-Coatalen's the answer is yes. Just the one.
Many years ago I was fortunate to buy an unrestored example that had originally been found in Australia. It was found on a farm about 200 miles north of Sydney. The car had been a wedding present and we think because the chassis is fairly lightweight it wasn't suitable for the roads of the time. Reduced to sheep rounding up duties the engine ran a big end in 1912 and was parked by a fence where it was found. I was lucky enough to chat to the guy that found it.
My car is chassis 615 and engine number 124. The car in Coventry Transport Museum is engine number 142. There are some numbers cast into each cylinder, mine is 04 08 and the Coventry car 05 08. Some chassis and engine work had been done before I got it but I had to redo some of it. When restoring the bodywork we've used most of the original panels apart from the back wings which were beyond saving. The late Mike Worthington-Williams did a short piece in Finds and Discoveries in The Automobile where he described mine as an original restored body. I've had to make a steering wheel and controls but I'd estimate 90% of the car is original. I have many bits not shown in the pictures. Both the cars are the smaller 12/15 model introduced in 1908. When mine is finished I shall only be the second owner to have driven it!
One of the best Christmas presents I had was when I was given a complete spare engine. I also have original sales catalogues from 1907 and 1909 but only a photocopy of the 1908 year. If anyone has one and would part with it I'd happily buy it from them.
As an aside my great-grandfather was Louis Coatalen's brother. He followed Louis over to the UK, arriving in 1906. There is a very good book written by Oliver Heal who is married to Coatalen's grand-daughter. Titled Louis Coatalen: Engineering Impresario of Humber, Sunbeam, Talbot and Darracq it briefly touches on Louis's time with Hillman and contains many period photos from the family archive.
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Many years ago I was fortunate to buy an unrestored example that had originally been found in Australia. It was found on a farm about 200 miles north of Sydney. The car had been a wedding present and we think because the chassis is fairly lightweight it wasn't suitable for the roads of the time. Reduced to sheep rounding up duties the engine ran a big end in 1912 and was parked by a fence where it was found. I was lucky enough to chat to the guy that found it.
My car is chassis 615 and engine number 124. The car in Coventry Transport Museum is engine number 142. There are some numbers cast into each cylinder, mine is 04 08 and the Coventry car 05 08. Some chassis and engine work had been done before I got it but I had to redo some of it. When restoring the bodywork we've used most of the original panels apart from the back wings which were beyond saving. The late Mike Worthington-Williams did a short piece in Finds and Discoveries in The Automobile where he described mine as an original restored body. I've had to make a steering wheel and controls but I'd estimate 90% of the car is original. I have many bits not shown in the pictures. Both the cars are the smaller 12/15 model introduced in 1908. When mine is finished I shall only be the second owner to have driven it!
One of the best Christmas presents I had was when I was given a complete spare engine. I also have original sales catalogues from 1907 and 1909 but only a photocopy of the 1908 year. If anyone has one and would part with it I'd happily buy it from them.
As an aside my great-grandfather was Louis Coatalen's brother. He followed Louis over to the UK, arriving in 1906. There is a very good book written by Oliver Heal who is married to Coatalen's grand-daughter. Titled Louis Coatalen: Engineering Impresario of Humber, Sunbeam, Talbot and Darracq it briefly touches on Louis's time with Hillman and contains many period photos from the family archive.
Editor
22 Augustus 2023, 20:31
I would really like to tell you that your car is not the only other survivor. I would like to, but I can't with any degree of certainty.
If you can track down a July, 1960, copy of Motor Sport, you will find an article by Cecil Clutton about a 1908 Hillman-Coatalen 12/15h.p. tourer restored by Philip Mann, who later became President of the V.S.C.C. At the time, it was believed to be the sole survivor. It bore the registration number IY-143, which does not yield any results when you put it through the D.V.L.A. vehicle enquiry. Apart from the registration number, it looks very similar to the Coventry car (A 338) except that Mann's car did not have any weather equipment.
I have a particular interest in Hillman for no reason except that my first car when I was 18, which I still own, was a 1962 Super Minx, and I have undertaken a lot of research into the marque's early years. I tried to make contact with Mann when he would have been about 98 years old and was living in Switzerland. Sadly, I heard nothing from him and he died in 2020 aged 100.
I would very much like to know where IY-143 is today.
Zack Stiling
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If you can track down a July, 1960, copy of Motor Sport, you will find an article by Cecil Clutton about a 1908 Hillman-Coatalen 12/15h.p. tourer restored by Philip Mann, who later became President of the V.S.C.C. At the time, it was believed to be the sole survivor. It bore the registration number IY-143, which does not yield any results when you put it through the D.V.L.A. vehicle enquiry. Apart from the registration number, it looks very similar to the Coventry car (A 338) except that Mann's car did not have any weather equipment.
I have a particular interest in Hillman for no reason except that my first car when I was 18, which I still own, was a 1962 Super Minx, and I have undertaken a lot of research into the marque's early years. I tried to make contact with Mann when he would have been about 98 years old and was living in Switzerland. Sadly, I heard nothing from him and he died in 2020 aged 100.
I would very much like to know where IY-143 is today.
Zack Stiling
Andy Watt
22 Augustus 2023, 21:11
Zack, I think you'll find that IY-143 was re-registered A338 and are one and the same. I was recently in contact with Philip Mann's son Christopher as I have lent him a magneto to copy parts for a project of his. A 338 was, I believe, found in Ireland and restored by Philip before passing to David Johnson who knows a lot about the Hillman Company.
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Editor
22 Augustus 2023, 21:39
Thank you, Andy. The seeming disappearance of IY-143 had been bothering me for some time... It's good to know that it's still around as A 338.
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And interesting to hear about the 25hp. I was aware of the larger body and have got a copy of a photo of it when Mr. Foyle had it. I didn't know where it had gone though. It would have been too large as the 15hp is a much smaller car according to the dimensions in the sales catalogues. In a way I am glad it wasn't used on what is now my car, as it has given me the opportunity to restore the original. I did see a 1902 Bolide on a recent London to Brighton that now wears the registration number IP 1.