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A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

  • A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)
  • A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)
  • A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)
  • A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)
  • A Millot from 1898? (UPDATE V: 1900!)

Recently François De Backer visited the Pastel Show in Aureville near Toulouse in France. One car that took his fancy was this Millot. François writes that it dates from 1898 as written on the registration plate. True, the company Millot Frères was founded in 1805 and started making farm equipment. From 1892 they also made stationary engines, but didn’t begin making a car until 1901. However, from 1900 on they also made a self-propelled saw-bench, powered by a 9hp single cylinder engine under the seat. And some of these saw-benches have been fitted with a vis-à-vis passenger body. Are we looking at one of these? But even then the date 1898 doesn’t fit. Who can help us with additional info?
(photos François De Backer)

An Update came in from Wilfried Brunner (see his comment below) who has send us a leaflet of a mobile saw that mentions March 3, 1899 as the date for the first Millot automobile. Wilfried adds: "Maybe they could change the body, workdays with saw, sunday with seats?"

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maandag oktober 25th, 2010

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08 November 2015, 18:10
In my comment below the word "above" should be read as "below".

The differences between the car and the saw bench include.

1). All iron parts including the chassis painted black rather than red.

2). The long aperture at the base of the wooden bodywork of the saw bench is replaced by two shorter apertures.

3). The word Millot in brass is attached to the rear mounted radiator and to the front panel of the wooden bodywork,

4). A black painted metal apron is mounted at the front.

5). A hardwood, solid oak on my 1900 Millot, is used for the bodywork.

6). No sign of any saw bench mechanism.
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07 November 2015, 17:48
As the current owner of the 1900 Millot referred to above, I can confirm that both my Millot and the 1898 one illustrated above are genuine cars and not converted saw benches.
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29 October 2010, 16:31
The real Millot automobiles looked quite different from these mobile saw benches (with which farmers could drive all kinds of agricultural machines, I suppose). A real Millot car can be seen on page 426 of the 3rd edition (1982) of the Georgano encyclopedia.
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27 October 2010, 09:10
I think the Millot pictured is almost certain to be 1900. Difficult to get very much out of Google, but there's an old-vehicle club called "Club des vieux volants francs-comtois" based in Sochaux, in the Dépt de Doubs (25), which is the same Dépt (25) as the Millot pictured – see my previous posting. An article in Le Monde (albeit from 2005): http://www.lemonde.fr/voyage/article/2005/12/02/memoire-d-automobiles-en-pays-comtois_716796_3546.html
includes this snippet: "..les 90 adhérents du Club des vieux volants francs-comtois. Cette association réunit des propriétaires d'automobiles des origines à nos jours, dont la plus ancienne est une Vis-à-Vis Millot de 1900 fabriquée en Haute-Saône...

Which in English says that the club has 90 members and that their oldest vehicle is a Vis-à-Vis Millot manufactured in 1900.

In view of that the car is so rare, it must be more than a coincidence that the Millot pictured comes from Le Doubs (25) and that this old-vehicle club is also based in the same department (25).
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27 October 2010, 07:41
this particular car was for sale at the musee of "chauffalise" ( or so) some decades ago. many of these cars survived in austria, swizerland, holland ,belguim and france. the unrestored 8 seater was auctioned some months ago.

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mike
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27 October 2010, 07:39
this particular car was once in a french museum for sale, like Chauffalise or so.(eastern france, naybee for the reg. nr.)those milots survived very well. I know of examples here in austria, swizerland, holland and france. the unrest. eight seater was auctioned some months ago.
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mike
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27 October 2010, 06:25
There's a chance that 1898 in the registration number is a red herring. The full registration is 1898 RV 25, which looks like a perfectly normal French reg no (before the new reg system was introduced in 2009). The 25 would show that the car comes from the Département de Doubs, in eastern France, bordering Switzerland. Question then is whether the car was only "visiting" Toulouse, which is a long way from Le Doubs. Perhaps someone here can gain access to the French vehicle registry, which should then give full details of the car.
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26 October 2010, 08:47
Hello, maybe one time more just a saw-bench. But there are some other vehicles
from Millot with same equipement and millot have named them "automobiles" as i have found old ad's on the Internet. I'm looking that i can send you some pictures, kind regards, Wilfried Brunner, Switzerland.
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