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A PreWarCar in Singapore

We hope you all had a good weekend. Today we have a new Monday Mystery for you. Recently, this picture showed up in the Republic of Singapore. There is no additional information, so we have to do it with what we see. But we think you might be able to solve this one. Does anyone recognise the make of the PreWarCar in the photograph and can tell us more about this specific model?

 

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maandag juni 8th, 2020
Dale Conlon
09 Juni 2020, 01:32
It is almost identical to the 1912 Krit's here in New Zealand. I restored one several years ago. It has a steeper slope on the radiator than Overland,. The rear guards are distinctive being attached to the body with angle iron. The slab sided body curves in at the front to a flat dash. The only difference I can see are the hubcaps. As you probably know KRIT used a swastika on their hubcaps. Maybe these were changed at sometime because of the anti German feeling at the time. 1914 Krit's were a more modern design.
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Grimmo
08 Juni 2020, 23:33
Seems odd that an early version of the 5-seater K-R-I-T would have been on sale in Singapore pre-WWI, a mainly UK and French car market. The American Consul said, in August 1911, US car sales there were poor. So was this a low-cost company car import from Britain, perhaps for a British plantation manager?

It does look like the model advertised widely for sale in the UK from November 1911: “THE K-R-I-T CAR. Price 200 Guineas complete. Specification: 15-20 4-cylinder, three speeds and reverse; gate change. Forced feed lubrication. Elliptic springs, large front axle. 810 by 90 tyres, with detachable rims. Bosch magneto ignition, Torpedo five-seater body, fibre mat in rear, rubber mat in front. Complete, with hood and adjustable screen, five lamps, horn, and kit of tools.” Note the advert car is registered “S1547”.

From November 1912 bodywork was visibly modified. That flat dash panel was revised into a curved bulkhead/scuttle to give more driver legroom and the screen strengthened to remove the need for the “Yankee” support straps. It also got various mechanical improvements, including an adjustable steering tie rod on a stronger axle with larger front wheels, higher ratio back axle with enclosed brakes, metric spark plugs and improved thermo-siphon cooling. The price remained 200gns.

Testers said it looked like any one of half a dozen American cars (e.g. the Overland). Competition was such that even before the company ceased trading in WWI, rivals had put it about that the Detroit firm was bankrupt already in 1912 and selling off cars in the UK for which there were no spare parts. K-R-I-T Motors of Long Acre, London denied this and offered £100 for information...
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Ruud
08 Juni 2020, 22:31
Hi there, if you zoom in on the badge it’s not oval like overland but a tilted square share. Looks like a krit sign to me.
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Stig larsson
08 Juni 2020, 22:15
Yes,. it is a K.RI.T. with a swastika on the hubcaps and on the radiator. A swastika is the old sun wheel, not a modern sign. But that car is a bit older, 1912 -13 with brass radiator. I have an 1914 model with later sheet-metall radiator and front fenders like T-Ford. It is in pieces and will never bee back on the road. To many other projects. K.R.I.T. is short for Kenneth Krittenden (probably wrong spelling).
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Keith Kuehn
08 Juni 2020, 16:46
I had finally a chance to bring the photo into a closer look, it is NOT a Overland, and though the hub caps on the wheels are really hazy, they may well be the 14 Krit. The body lines are more Krit also, but I am no longer able to check with available local examples. Overland had a oval / round badge also. The local Krit has larger wheels though. Krit used a three bearing engine that was not very good, according to my local source who has since passed away. So many cars of this era used of the shelf parts, that it becomes a real fun puzzle at times! The companies were more of "assembled" parts cars than a production car. Sure hope this has been a help!
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David Liepelt
08 Juni 2020, 16:02
We own two 1912 Overlands. I agree the radiator filler, steering wheel and fenders look similar to Overland. But the demountable wheels, hubcaps and starting crank do not. The slope of the top of the radiator is steeper than our Overlands.

Good luck.
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Keith Kuehn
08 Juni 2020, 04:16
I agree with William, a Overland from about 1912, to 1914. Steel painted headlamps, rear wings, front axle shape, radiator etc. They were pretty good cars but the transaxle could be somewhat troublesome.
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william hearne
08 Juni 2020, 00:27
It could well be an Overland. The radiator and badge look right.
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Pierre delliere
08 Juni 2020, 10:14
Kritt 1914 ?
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