About What is it? Quiz #430 Peugeot 175 Sports (upd. or 1922 153BRS)

Our guess, most of you were enjoying one of the last fine weekends of the year. Or when living Down Under one of the first fine weekends of Spring. Anyway the input for last week's quiz was somewhat low. Three competitors were right with Peugeot. Bob King came with an interesting remark regarding 'cuff valves'. Anybody who has a picture or a proper explanation? Special thanks to Robert Hafner who delivered info regarding the registration plates: the Amilcar coming from Departement 04 Rhone-Aples and the Peugeot from Department 03, Alliers.
Craig Gillingham came up with an introduction about the Peugeot Type 153 BRS. Perhaps he is very right, but sender of the photo claims the car to be a Peugeot 175 with sports body, so what can we say? And in fact we were hoping to get some more infor from you out there. Anyway reagrding the latter option; Greg Mackie came up with the best answer: "Peugeot 175 'Sport' with a special body, 1923 or 1924." Congratulations Greg! When Craig produces evidence that is it a type 153 BRS he will get the prized T-shirt as well.

(photos courtesy Collection Brian Goodman)

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Patrick Jacob

17 October 2016, 12:31

I also think it' s not a 175. All 303 made 175 cars left the factory with a Peugeot body: the Torpedo Sport or Torpedo Grand Sport. This excludes it' s a 175.
Now, what is it?
The Car in the picture seems to be a 1922 153BRS, with a standard Peugeot sports body for this model.

The other picture of a Peugeot: a pretty 174S

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12 October 2016, 04:45

I've been over my notes and photos, and I'm still sure this is a Type 153 BRS. From what I can gather, looking from the front, the only difference between a Type 175 and a 153 is the radiator surround. The chassis and front axle are the same from each model. The Type 153 B/BR/BRA are all very similar, except the BRS has a lower steering column rake. The headlights on the quiz car are Type 153, and there are a number of Type 153B and 153 BR cars on Google with the same headlamp brackets to compare with.

Perhaps in the future, details of this actual car may come to light, although at this stage, to me, everything about this car is pure Type 153, from the radiator to the shape of the scuttle.

I know that the Type 153 and 175 don't use a cuff valve, I thought the question posed was a general question that wanted to be answered. As far as I know, the 6 litre Type 156 was the only Peugeot that used the cuff valve.

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09 October 2016, 20:48

My Peugeot 175 [before restoration] showing it was no slouch :-
[URL=http://s861.photobucket.com/user/happydaze8/media/Other%20cars%20etc/24020196720Amaroo20Park20Hill20Climb_zpsyzrpail8.jpg.html]http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/happydaze8/Other%20cars%20etc/24020196720Amaroo20Park20Hill20Climb_zpsyzrpail8.jpg[/URL]

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08 October 2016, 14:34

I suspect the name "cuff valve" was derived from the pre- necktie neckwear era, rather than shirt cuffs.

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08 October 2016, 10:31

Apart from the headlamps, radiator cap ornament, and coachwork behind the bonnet it screams '175' to me. It was my pleasure to own and restore a 175 a few years back.

The 175 engine is 3 litres, over-head valves, not cuff valves. It has only 1 [SEV] magneto. A great car !

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08 October 2016, 09:54

Hello, The cars are in the system pre 1928 registred. The letter 'M' informs you about a town. Here it is Marseille, and its region.
Please look at http://plaque.free.fr/f_rec2f.html
Rgds

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08 October 2016, 07:43

'Cuff' valves were very short sleeve valves tried out in the early 1920s by various manufacturers such as Rolland Pilain; and also in the Schmid racing cars that ran in the 1924 French GP at Lyon. They were an attempt to improve on the weight penalty imposed by ordinary sleeve valves.

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08 October 2016, 01:56

I thought the quiz car was a Type 153 BRS, rather than a Type 175 was the differences in the radiator surrounds. The Type 153 has an even width radiator surround at the sides and across the bottom when viewed from the front. The Type 175 has a deeper base, ie the bottom is a greater width than the sides. I also made the comment about the Type 153 BRS having twin magnetos, thinking about it, I may be wrong. I remember seeing a B&W photo of either a 153 BRS or 175S engine bay where twin magnetos were fitted, but I can't remember which Type. I'd need to check that info. However the part about the half-elliptic rear springs being fitted on the 153 BRS, rather than the cantilever rear springs on the normal 153 is right, as well as the front brakes being optional.

Regarding the cuff valves, they are a similar concept the sleeve valve, but instead of operating in the cylinder with the piston, the cuff valve is only operated in the combustion chamber. I'll email some pictures with a far better description than I can give, as well as a cross-section.

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About What is it? Quiz #430 Peugeot 175 Sports (upd. or 1922 153BRS)

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