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A Dublin Mystery from California. (Upd. 10/12 HP Humber 1907-1908)
Michael Patris from California writes that his neighbour is a fan of his antique cars and came up with a photo of his father in a brass touring car. The photo was taken in Dublin, Ireland and his father, mr. Ellis, is in the front passenger seat. "Perhaps someone with records in Ireland can look up the old license plate number (R?-990) and also determine year, make and model of this grand touring? To my eyes, it appears there is only one headlight and the other side is a siren. Perhaps this is a fire or police chief car? Apparently Mr. Ellis did not own the car, but worked for Shell oil and was just having a great romp in the beautiful countryside. Any help would be appreciated."
Editor: like many times, the radiator shape should put us up the right track. The car itself is not very large and the driver plus five passengers seem like a burden too much for the rear springs. Probably this is only for the photo. The first bump would cause big problems we think.
Update by Mark Dawber: That car is a Humber from about 1908. Not sure of the size but maybe 15 hp?
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maandag mei 28th, 2012
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Onbekend
30 Mei 2012, 20:31
This car has been identified as a 1907 or 1908 10/12hp model Humber.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 21:00
Bit more info from the census, he lived at number 22 Main St. Boyle, in part of a house rented from Mary Joyce. See below
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222555/
The photo may well not be taken in Boyle as number 22 listed as outbuildings, only a stable, a cowhouse and a turfhouse.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222557/
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222555/
The photo may well not be taken in Boyle as number 22 listed as outbuildings, only a stable, a cowhouse and a turfhouse.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222557/
Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 20:22
Sorry forgot to add link to census form;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222600/
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003222600/
Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 20:20
RI-990, was indeed issued in Dublin, in Ireland back then you had to be someone to own a car of any sort let alone a new one, many Irish cars were registered to UK addresses, of the ones registered to Irish Addresses the main people who feature are Landlords, Garage Owners, Businessmen, Clergy and Army Officers. This Particular car was owned in approx 1910 by one of the latter, C.J.O'Sullivan, of the 4th Connaught Rangers, Boyle, Co.Roscommon. There is an entry in the 1911/12 issue of The Irish Motor Directory to verify this. The Entry is missing from the 1912-13 issue so perhaps C.J. was posted elsewhere and brought the car with him. Roscommon was issued with the index mark DI so perhaps C.J. bought the car second hand or maybe was stationed in Dublin previously. In the 1911 Census of Ireland, which is free to access by the way, a Charles O'Sullivan is recorded as an Army Officer in Boyle, this may well be the same person. I'm sure that Michael Patris will be well capable of searching the English army database to check up and follow up on C.J.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 20:05
RI 990 was issued by Dublin Co Borough (Dublin City). The Irish Motor Directory of 1913 states that C.J. O'Sullivan, 4th Connaught Rangers,Boyle,Co.Roscommon was the registered owner.Is he the military type at the wheel? King House,Boyle, now restored and open to the public was at that time a barracks. Perhaps Mr O'Sullivan stayed there.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 16:47
The driver appears to wearing a British Army uniform and cap of the type worn between 1903 and 1922. But where that fits into your story I have no idea.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 15:31
According to the 1913 Irish Motor Directory
RI 990, a Dublin County Borough issue, was registered to C.J. O'Sullivan, 4th Connaught Rangers,Boyle, Co. Roscommon. I would imagine he was based in King House, Boyle which is now preserved and open to the public-whatever about the car!
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RI 990, a Dublin County Borough issue, was registered to C.J. O'Sullivan, 4th Connaught Rangers,Boyle, Co. Roscommon. I would imagine he was based in King House, Boyle which is now preserved and open to the public-whatever about the car!
Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 10:40
I think that there are two headlights, the drivers side is behind the front fender on that side. If you look closely you can just see the very top of the headlight.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 07:55
The registration number is RI 990, which is a Dublin issue commencing in 1903.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 07:34
The car is a Humber; alas I can't tell you which model.
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Onbekend
29 Mei 2012, 07:31
I would suggest your Dublin mystery is a Humber 12hp Double Phaeton of 1909 retailing for the grand sum of £250!!
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