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How to maintain a 1907 Ariès? (UPDATE III : experienced Aries driver Down Under)
Olivier Taillieu would like to start and to drive his grandfathers 1907 Ariès. But there's no manual. No owner's handbook. No spare parts. No nothing. Just the knowledge that his grandfather bought the car at auction in the eighties. An Ariès dealer is no longer to be found, so how to do this? He posted The grand car at 'Show your Pre-War' and wrote us an e-mail with his question. We asked him to send a few additonal photos and here they are. We are no Ariès connoisseurs either so we hope you want to help. According to Georgano, the engine most probably is an Aster. When you check the photo we see a magnificent machine with four separate cylinders and overhead cam, but correct us if we are wrong. Aside the in our view way too modern and small magnet0 (Bosch RB4?) the engine looks quite orginal, but we have to wait for your judgement and help. Olivier is most eager to find documentation about the car and maybe even a source for parts. Who can help?
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zaterdag mei 15th, 2010
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Onbekend
18 Januari 2014, 13:58
I would like to know where this car is located. I have some information ref the engine.
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Onbekend
20 Mei 2010, 20:50
M. Taillieu should at least consult Les automobiles Ariès 1903-1938; une marque, un homme, une époque by Jean Sauvy (Paris, 1996). I can give him the address of another author who has written about Ariès, Hervé Dufresne (though this address may not be valid anymore).
M. Tailieu should also contact the nice Musée Automobile de Provence (www.musee-auto-provence.com) which also owns a 1907 Ariès.
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M. Tailieu should also contact the nice Musée Automobile de Provence (www.musee-auto-provence.com) which also owns a 1907 Ariès.
Onbekend
18 Mei 2010, 16:12
Would be pleased if Olivier Taillieu would contact me. I own a 1909 Aries that I have been driving for the las52 years. Email is [email protected] and live in Australia.
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Onbekend
17 Mei 2010, 16:58
To minimize possible harm from parts running "dry" , the plugs should be removed , inject about a teaspoon of SAE30 motor oil onto each piston and wet the valve stems and cam faces etc. Make certain the oiler box seen on the firewall is clean and the pipes are not clogged before putting in fresh motor oil in the box.
Hand crank the engine until your arm is ready to fall off. If the car has an oil pressure guage or a glass tube showing oil flow, make certain your hand cranking has produced some sign of oil movement or pressure.
Assuming the engine was running properly when parked, it should start up when fresh fuel is supplied.
If it starts let it idle for several minuets before applying any load. Piston rings might be stuck from varnish so I usually soak the pistons with acetone or lacquer thinner for a few days. Then apply the motor oil and procede with starting.
Dick T
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Hand crank the engine until your arm is ready to fall off. If the car has an oil pressure guage or a glass tube showing oil flow, make certain your hand cranking has produced some sign of oil movement or pressure.
Assuming the engine was running properly when parked, it should start up when fresh fuel is supplied.
If it starts let it idle for several minuets before applying any load. Piston rings might be stuck from varnish so I usually soak the pistons with acetone or lacquer thinner for a few days. Then apply the motor oil and procede with starting.
Dick T
Bas de Voogd
16 Mei 2010, 16:31
There may not even be oil pressure nor a pump. Splash lubrication may be the case, worth checking.
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Onbekend
16 Mei 2010, 16:12
Careful re-commissioning is essential before a long slumbering machine is re started. The oil may appear to be clean but should always be changed as particles of carbon etc. can sink to the bottom of the sump. Check also the oil pump is functioning and that the valves and piston rings are not stuck.
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Onbekend
16 Mei 2010, 12:56
There is a Aries from about the same period in the Musee Automobile de Provence. You will find a picture on their website.
Perhaps they can help.
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Perhaps they can help.
Onbekend
16 Mei 2010, 11:26
My two bobs worth.
Andy Watt is probably correct about it having the wrong period magneto. A dual ignition would be expected for a car of this period, however, I wouldn't worry about the magneto being non original. Any decent four cylinder magneto should do the job. My recommendation is to ensure the engine has oil pressure before attempting to start the engine. In addition he should ensure it has oil in the gearbox & diff & water in the radiator. This is basic for an experienced owner but Olivier should not overlook these things. Also make sure a fire extinguisher is at hand in case the carburettor floods over the magneto & creates a fire. We assume that the magneto is timed correctly. Olivier is very lucky to have such a desirable machine.
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Andy Watt is probably correct about it having the wrong period magneto. A dual ignition would be expected for a car of this period, however, I wouldn't worry about the magneto being non original. Any decent four cylinder magneto should do the job. My recommendation is to ensure the engine has oil pressure before attempting to start the engine. In addition he should ensure it has oil in the gearbox & diff & water in the radiator. This is basic for an experienced owner but Olivier should not overlook these things. Also make sure a fire extinguisher is at hand in case the carburettor floods over the magneto & creates a fire. We assume that the magneto is timed correctly. Olivier is very lucky to have such a desirable machine.
Onbekend
15 Mei 2010, 23:07
The Magneto is definately wrong. What is on there at the moment looks like a 1920's Watford FM4 or F4. If the car is 1907 it would probably have had a Bosch DR4, and may even have originally had dual ignition with a coil for starting as it looks quite a large engine. I'd have to find my Bosch dating numbers to see any other D series magnetos might have been fitted.
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