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Ronde radiateurs herzien
Toen ik onlangs de Maudslay identificeerde, vroeg Kevin Atkinson of hij er meer mocht zien. Ik dacht erover na en besloot dat het een goed idee zou zijn – maar dan niet alleen ronde radiateurs. In de loop van het jaar zullen er meerdere berichten verschijnen over auto’s van vóór de Eerste Wereldoorlog en hoe je ze kunt herkennen. Een vriend vertelde me niet lang geleden dat elk merk of model minstens één uniek kenmerk heeft waaraan het te herkennen is. Ik ben het daar eigenlijk wel mee eens. Bovendien toont de hoofdafbeelding telkens een auto waarop je je herkenningsvaardigheden kunt oefenen. Het zullen geen zeldzame auto’s zijn en er staat geen beloning tegenover, behalve de voldoening van de juiste identificatie. Het eerste correcte antwoord (via het reactieveld) krijgt de eer.
Maar eerst keren we terug naar de lijst met ronde radiateurs. Naar mijn mening is deze lijst niet alleen verre van compleet, er ontbreken enkele belangrijke merken en andere horen er simpelweg niet thuis. Om er een paar te noemen: Beeston Humber, Cottereau, Fawcett-Fowler (een Engelse stoomauto), Fouillaron, Georges-Roy, Marlborough en het Zwitserse Sigma. Andere vormen zoals ronde radiateurs met een rechte onderkant (zoals Pilain en Hotchkiss), staande of liggende ovalen, eivormige radiateurs, radiateurs met een geprofileerde bovenkant (zoals Speedwell), verdienen allemaal hun eigen lijsten. Sommige merken horen naar mijn idee helemaal niet op de lijst thuis, zoals Chenard & Walcker, Royal Star of Sava.
Hoe herken je al die verschillende ronde radiateurs? Mijn advies is om afbeeldingen te verzamelen en te letten op details zoals ventilatiesleuven, motorkapsluitingen, vulbuizen en -doppen, de binnenkern van de radiateur, emblemen, enzovoorts. Begin dus meteen met oefenen en vertel me het merk en bouwjaar van de auto op de hoofdafbeelding. De enige hint die ik geef: hij ontbreekt op de lijst!
Alle afbeeldingen afkomstig uit tijdschriften van toen en uit persoonlijk archief
Tekst: Ariejan Bos
Oorspronkelijk gepubliceerd op 2 april 2016
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dinsdag augustus 12th, 2025
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Em
14 Augustus 2025, 09:50
What about the 1912 Eysink 10/12 h.p. in the Louwan Museum?
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Leslie Murray
13 Augustus 2025, 22:32
I see no mention of the round radiators of the Calthorpes. My Grand Father, Leslie Porter came 4th in the 4 inch race inthe IOM in 1908.
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Ariejan Bos
12 Augustus 2025, 19:53
The first photo is not a Schneider-Brillié, but a 1907 Germain.
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Stanislav Kirilets
12 Augustus 2025, 23:12
Do you think so? I'm not sure, but the owner is known. In the register for the city of Voronezh (Russia), the car is listed as Schneider, 16 HP (tax HP).
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Tom Weeks
08 Juli 2025, 22:57
This is a tin replica toy car. Says for display only not a toy. Just wondering if it represents a particular brand make or is it just a generic art creation?
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Laurent Zoller
21 December 2023, 18:43
Hello,
Many brands have actually released automobiles with a round radiator:
- De Cosmo: the last vehicles came out in 1908 with a round radiator.
- Germain: from 1907, the radiator became round and will remain a characteristic of the brand
- Ours (1907-1909): all cars had a round radiator.
- Gallia (1912-1914): made in Charleville in France (do not confuse with other Gallia brands), the round radiator was found on sports cars. (Thank you Fons for this rare photo)
-Spyker: a car of 1906 with a round radiator.
Laurent Zoller
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Many brands have actually released automobiles with a round radiator:
- De Cosmo: the last vehicles came out in 1908 with a round radiator.
- Germain: from 1907, the radiator became round and will remain a characteristic of the brand
- Ours (1907-1909): all cars had a round radiator.
- Gallia (1912-1914): made in Charleville in France (do not confuse with other Gallia brands), the round radiator was found on sports cars. (Thank you Fons for this rare photo)
-Spyker: a car of 1906 with a round radiator.
Laurent Zoller
Andy Watt
18 December 2023, 23:55
Another that no-one seems to have mentioned is the Bentall, made in Maldon, England.
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Joris Bergsma
20 December 2023, 12:07
Hello Andy!
Haven't seen or heard from you in a while. Please drop me a line through Laurens/PreWarCar or Facebook.
Cheers,
Joris
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Haven't seen or heard from you in a while. Please drop me a line through Laurens/PreWarCar or Facebook.
Cheers,
Joris
grobmotorix
18 December 2023, 07:40
A French Hotchkiss during the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup in the USA
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grobmotorix
18 December 2023, 07:33
A mighty French Porthos race car, 1911, circuit de la Sarthe
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grobmotorix
18 December 2023, 07:25
A French "Le Gui" at the 1908 Coupes des Voiturettes
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Ariejan Bos
27 Mei 2023, 09:37
https://www.postwarclassic.com/no-no-not-a-mercedes
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Ariejan Bos
23 Mei 2023, 17:07
Dear Martin, that is an interesting photo, which I bought myself recently too. The car appears to be a Britannia, one of these rarely seen British makes with round radiator. Judging by the packed car the occasion seems to be a tourist excursion through this remarkable town, which is completely preserved still in present time. The uploaded magnification shows the car in more detail. Also uploaded a part of an identification series appearing in the Automotor Journal of 1906, dedicated to the Britannia.
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Martin Woodrow
23 Mei 2023, 19:29
Hi Ariejan. Thanks for your reply. Very helpful. It seems to me likely that this is the same car with the starter handle blocking the view of the "2".
Thanks once again.
Martin
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Thanks once again.
Martin
Martin Woodrow
23 Mei 2023, 12:54
Hi, I have an old postcard of Shanklin in the Isle of Wight, England. The card is dated in the 1920s but the car appears older. It has the reg number DL39 and a round radiator. Can anyone help me identify the make and date?
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Tom Roberts
27 October 2019, 05:34
My grandfather at the wheel with his father next to him.
Probably taken on Long Island; Jamaica Queens, Brooklyn, New York City.
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Probably taken on Long Island; Jamaica Queens, Brooklyn, New York City.
S. Berliner, III
23 Augustus 2019, 06:08
At 1:55-2:05 in "A Trip Down Huntington Avenue (Boston - 1903)" a round-radiatored car appears. That's too early for most you note. ??? [Is that really you, LIMP Ariejean?] Sam, III
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Onbekend
06 April 2016, 09:52
What about the v twin 12/18 Riley's. The best of the lot
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Onbekend
05 April 2016, 20:47
There s a picture of a car in the ghost town of Bodie Californa that I am trying to possibly figure out the identity of. It appears to have had a round radiator. Any ideas?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mitchellcipriano/14735163880
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/mitchellcipriano/14735163880
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04 April 2016, 15:16
With "double" purse($50,000.) of 1911, the 1912 Indianapolis 500, this time round with a 75mph full lap qualification, the race was won by number 8, Joe Dawson aboard a NATIONAL, yet for ALL but the first and last 2 laps, Mercedes had been a continent ahead.
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Onbekend
04 April 2016, 07:11
Delaunay-Belleville was already on the original round radiators list by Fons Alkemade (click on the Maudslay link). I only showed here examples of makes which were not on that list.
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Onbekend
03 April 2016, 13:19
I retract my answer "1908 Serpollet (Steam Car)"... I've just noticed the starting handle!
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Onbekend
03 April 2016, 08:18
The honours this time go to Robbie Marenzi. The photo is from the Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal of January 1905. This round radiator was introduced end of 1904, which was described by Motor Age of December 1904 as being an 'imposing cylindrical motor bonnet'. It was continued until 1908, when a new type became available as an option. This new type became very familiar during the successful racing period of National in the years before World War 1. America never counted as many round radiators as Europe and most of these are very obscure makes like Bailey, Haydock or Klink. Several makes indeed had round hoods but were lacking a radiator: these open ends were needed in the cooling of there air-cooled engines (like Franklin and Richmond).
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