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A chauffeur's Mystery. ( Upd. Renault ED)

Trevor Heath sends this photo from the family album. "My grandfather drove this car as a chauffeur in Scotland between 1907 and 1923. Does anyone recognise the make and model please? I know he drove an Arrol-Johnston, a Studebaker and a Thornycroft but I don't know if this is one of them. Many thanks."Well Trevor, we think this one of the  large engined Edwardian Renaults made prtot to WW T. Which exact type will soon be heard from the other visitors. But that aside we are curious which coachbuilder made this chauffeured limousine. 


Do you as well have a family photo that you like to be identified? Start here(click).

Scotland based Ian Murray was owner of a Renault ED until recent. And always thought he was the only ED owner ever in Scotland. NOT!

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maandag juni 27th, 2011
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14 Juli 2011, 20:59
The perforated side radiator grille indicates that this Renault is equipped with one of the big 4-cylinder engines, probably an 18 or 22 HP. The detachable wheels were introduced by Renault in 1913 and had to be ordered as an option.

My guess is that this car is a 1913 ED.
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28 Juni 2011, 20:02
Late pre war Renaults can be hard to identify since there were many similar- looking models, but this style of radiator surround was introduced for 1912. This is a large, but not one of the largest Renaults- in 1913 there were no less than 11 models of between 8 and 45ch(hp). This could be a 22hp model of 1913- which was not exactly small, at 5.1 litres. After the war Renault concentrated on a small 10hp car until a completely new style was introduced for 1923, so this is almost certainly a 1912- 14 car, and a very fine example.
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28 Juni 2011, 19:43
It is a Renault, of course! But which one, of all the chassis types that Renault produced, this is, will prove a real nut to crack. To me, the car looks just about like any near-big pre-war Renault.

The rear dumb irons, which are not visible in this photo, could have given a clue.
The wheel base, being rather, but not too, long, along with the likewise short-looking engine hood could indicate the car sports a 4-cylinder engine. But that´s just a guess.

One fact is that the wheels are not equipped with the patented hub with two locking claws. This allowed the wheel to be removed very easily. The photo shows that the wheels have an older split-rim or other construction. So an absolute pre-WW1 there.

To me, the shape of the scuttle (just behind the enormous radiator) and the side of the rear portion of the body give me a Renault-produced feeling about them. But again, the four wings and the front roof treatment look rather british to me.

But who am I to guess? Not an easy one.
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28 Juni 2011, 18:25
I can agree on Renault ED 1914 / 1915 maybe coachwork by Whitlock of Kensington London?
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28 Juni 2011, 18:19
Arrol-Johnston made a 15.9 and a 23 before the 1st War, both of which had coal scuttle bonnets. LM 7084 would be from a London registration series commencing in July 1914.

The car has detachable wheel rims similar to the Rudge-Whitworth, did Renault use these?
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28 Juni 2011, 07:06
Surely a Renault? or is that too easy...

Someone should be able to search the license plate, which looks like LM7084.

editor, the car is showing remarkable resemblance with a 1914 Renault ED
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